The Jon Jones opponents were past their prime/too small for him myth

[TheTribalQueef]

Let me start of by saying Jon Jones started his carreer at light heavyweight, walking around at 219 lbs. He was a realitvely tall, skinny lean lightheavyweight. All his opponents he fought near the start of his career and the begging of his title reign looked larger and thicker than he did.

Jon Jones 23 walk around weight 215
vs
Ryan Bader 6'2" 27 years old, walk around weight at 230 lbs, started his career at light heavyweight, went on to win both the bellator lightheavyweight and heavyweight titles

Jon Jones 23 walk around weight 215
vs
Shogun 6'1" 29 years old, walk around weight 228 lbs, started his career at light heavyweight, was the champion before losing to Jon Jones

Jon Jones 24 walk around weight 215
vs
Rampage Jackson 6'1" 32 years old walked around at 230 lbs, started his career at light heavyweight, former lightheavyweight champion comming off his last reign being 2 years ago

Jon Jones 24 walk around weight 219
vs
Lyoto Machida 6'0" 33 years old, walked around weight 210 lbs, started his career at heavyweight, former lightheavyweight champion with his last reign being a year ago

Jon Jones 24 walk around weight 219
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Rashad Evans 5'11" 32 years old, walk around weight 230 lbs, started his career at heavyweight, fromer light heavyweight champion with his last reign being 3 years ago

Jon Jones 25 walk around weight 219
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Vitor Belfort 6' 34 years old, walk around weight 225 lbs, started his career at heavyweight, former lightheavyweight champion with his last reign being 5 years ago

Jon Jones 25 walk around weight 225
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Chael Sonnen 6'1" 35 years old, walk around weight 235 lbs, started his career at light heavyweight and drained himself to make middle weight

Jon Jones 26 walk around weight 219
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Alexander Gustafsson 6'5" 26 years old, walk around weight 230lbs, started his career at lightheavyweight

Jon Jones 26 walk around weight 225 lbs
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Glover Teixiera 6'1" 33 years old, walk around weight 225 lbs, started his career at lightheavyweight and was on a 20 fight win streak before losing to Jon Jones

Jon Jones 27 walk around weight 230 lbs
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Daniel Comrier 5'10" 35 years old, walk around weight 250 lbs, started his career at heavyweight, former strikeforce heavyweight champion, undefeated in mma and hadn't lost a round before losing to Jones

Jon Jones 28 walk around weight 230 lbs
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OSP 6'1" 30 years old, walk around weight 240 lbs, started his career at lightheavyweight

Jon Jones 30 walk around weight 230 lbs
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Daniel Cormier 38 years old, walk around weight 250 lbs, started his career at heavyweight former heavyweight and was at the time the reigning lightheavyweight title(lost durring the fight) had 3 defences before losing to Jones

Jon Jones 31 walk around weight 225 lbs
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Alexander Gustafsson 6'5" 31 years old, walk around weight 235 lbs, started his carreer at lightheavyweight later moved up to heavyweight

Jon Jones 31 walk around weight 235 lbs
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Anthony Smith 6'2" 33 years old, walk around weight 225 lbs, started his career at middle weight

Jon Jones 32 walk around weight 240 lbs
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Thiago Santos 6'0" 35 years old, walk around weight 225 lbs, started his career at middle weight

Jon Jones 32 walk around weight 235 lbs
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Dominick Reyes 6'4" 30 years old, walk around weight 225 lbs, started his carreer at lightheavyweight undefeated before losing to Jones

Jon Jones 35 walk around weight 247 lbs
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Cyril Gane 6'4" 33 years old, walk around weight 250 lbs, started his carreer at heavyweight

With the exception of machida and maybe thiago(who by all accounts was a huge middle weight to begin with, it seems all Jon Jones opponenets started their careers at either heavyweight or lightheavyweight, and the ones who foguth at middle weight actually had to drain themselves to make middleweight(see video of Sonnen durring weigh in with bisping) which is something Jon Jones has never had to do to fight at his natural weight class of light heavyweight.



As far as the age thing goes, it also doesn't seem like Jon Jones opponents were very old or past their primes. Most of them were in their early 30s or lates 20s and comming off title reigns, fantastic wins, or even win streaks, Jon Jones was only about 3 years into his mma career at the time too. He started training in 2008 and was champion by 2011 so he was a rookie dismantling veterans in their prime. Also many of the legends Jon Jones defeated fought 10 years after losing to Jon Jones.

 

[tasteslikechicken]

O key. You seem bored. And maybe just a touch in love.

 

[rear naked ankle pick]

So theyre only that high if they walk around?

 

[Filter909]

They literally called him Bones in that division. Sounds like a coked out weight bully to me. He thicc now. No homo.

 

[GolovKing]

He has a huge frame but not really a heavy guy. It's similar to deontay wilder. No ones considers him a small heavy weight even though he weighs well below the average heavyweight nowadays. I think it's a big advantage to have in combat sports because it allows you to be physically imposing but still be pretty athletic. But it's not something you can hold against them, you're supposed to take advantage of your natural physical abilities whatever they may be, and they aren't weight bullies that's for sure

 

[Harlekin]

Now make a statistic of JJ reach vs his opponent's

 

[RedDevilFan]

Now make a statistic of JJ reach vs his opponent's

True but you could say that about Hearns, Liston, Fury, Ali and other boxers with long reaches. You cannot fault them for it and there reach is an advantage and a disadvantage. Jones when he was a rookie did not use his reach at all and or improperly, and use to get clubbed alot. What made up for it was his exceptional wrestling which was fun to watch. He began to actually learn how to use his reach under Jackson who trained him how to use it properly. Without that knowledge he was a sitting duck to actual strikers and those with short reaches who could get inside, and would have eaten him up. It is something you learn how to use and those that can't pay the price.

Jon was also fighting larger opponents with similar reach and size when he was a rookie moreso than when he became a vet. He fought Bonnar, Gusmao, Obrien, Hamill, Vera, Bader, and so on. All very big and tall guys that just do not get the merit. So if you look at his resume he fought men larger than many claim he did .

 

[Rataria]

Its pretty much undeniable that the bulk of Jones opponents were already past their prime.

Hes running out of possible opponents and time. Stipe is cooked. And Aspinall is still green. He wont fight Ngannou (who is already aging out of the sport by every objective metric)

 

[RedDevilFan]

Its pretty much undeniable that the bulk of Jones opponents were already past their prime.

Hes running out of possible opponents and time. Stipe is cooked. And Aspinall is still green. He wont fight Ngannou (who is already aging out of the sport by every objective metric

That is actually incorrect. You may actually need to look at his entire resume. You may have missed his rookie years and so on. He was not just fighting Shogun and Rampage all the time, he had other fighters he actually fought long before and after who were in their prime or youth.

It is an easy mistake to make if you are new to MMA and his career.

 

[pamirec]

When it comes to fighting, there are only two reasons you can hate on Jonny. Eyepokes and failed tests.

 

[HHJ]

I hate Jon Jones but I never thought anything bad about his level of competition. I don't mind the oblique kicks or jacking glovers arm. Eye pokes is ridic and the roids and the promotion abetting his bullshit is another matter...but cheating or no he beat a lot of great fighters.

 

[El Panteron]

I don't care about this at all and Jones objectively has a great resume.
But your source for all the weigh-ins is...? Trust me bro?

 

[13Seconds]

Interesting. How does Jones cock taste like?

 

[Oddmonster]

True but you could say that about Hearns, Liston, Fury, Ali and other boxers with long reaches. You cannot fault them for it and there reach is an advantage and a disadvantage. Jones when he was a rookie did not use his reach at all and or improperly, and use to get clubbed alot. What made up for it was his exceptional wrestling which was fun to watch. He began to actually learn how to use his reach under Jackson who trained him how to use it properly. Without that knowledge he was a sitting duck to actual strikers and those with short reaches who could get inside, and would have eaten him up. It is something you learn how to use and those that can't pay the price.

Jon was also fighting larger opponents with similar reach and size when he was a rookie moreso than when he became a vet. He fought Bonnar, Gusmao, Obrien, Hamill, Vera, Bader, and so on. All very big and tall guys that just do not get the merit. So if you look at his resume he fought men larger than many claim he did .

Jon has NEVER fought someone with similar reach as him. The closest is Cyril Gane who has a shorter reach by 3.5''.

Jon is a freak when it comes to reach - You said Muhammad Ali. Ali had a 78 inch reach. Jon has 84.5 inch reach. Which is longer reach then people like Stefan Struve. If doctors were to build a LHW/HW fighter in a laboratory, they would come up with Jon Jones. Which is why him fighting so dirty and doing steroids just tarnish him even more - he did not need to do that shit. But sociopaths are gonna sociopath.

Edit: Also, I don't think Jon has EVER weighed less than his opponent. Fuck - he weighed more than Cyril Gane.

 

[Arm Barbarian]

No way I'm reading all that.

I honestly don't care about Juicehead cheater enough to read the long winded revisionisms of his tainted career.

Just either fight, or fuck off Jon. Stop stalling up the division.

 

[orca]

its bs theres literally a thread here where the stats have been shown in all of the division

32 years old was the prime age for all the LHW champs
jones beat fighters with an average age of
29-32 years of age

he also has the best and hardest resume
dude literaly fought the whos who in the begginning

dude suplexed a big LHW like bonnar
wahaha pretty sure hes a MW too bro (according to weird jones haters)

 

[RedDevilFan]

Jon has NEVER fought someone with similar reach as him. The closest is Cyril Gane who has a shorter reach by 3.5''.

Jon is a freak when it comes to reach - You said Muhammad Ali. Ali had a 78 inch reach. Jon has 84.5 inch reach. Which is longer reach then people like Stefan Struve. If doctors were to build a LHW/HW fighter in a laboratory, they would come up with Jon Jones. Which is why him fighting so dirty and doing steroids just tarnish him even more - he did not need to do that shit. But sociopaths are gonna sociopath.

Said like someone who has not fought a day in his life.

There are tons of fighters who have not fought the same fighter with the same strength, speed, hand eye coordination, or agility as them. These are traits fighters have that no one else may have and there are strengths and weaknesses to those traits equally. Everything is a tradeoff. As i mentioned earlier, without the knowledge of how to fight long you will not last long. Jones long arms were a problem for him when he was a rookie as he got hit constantly on the inside.

Jones thin long frame and skinny build does not allow him to generate punching power like many of the shorter stocky fighters. Another disadvantage This dissallows him from many things that Cormier enjoys such as the ability to power lift fighters around the room and knock out power. There is a trade off with the long arms and the inability to do what short stocky fighters can do.

Another advantage to a shorter stocky fighter is the ability to fight small. Something Jon Jones because of his reach will always have a hard time doing. Something he had to work on with jackson because he got hit so often as a rookie because of it.

Shorter fighters can also invest in body work and it is easier for them to do so. Taller and longer fighters have a hard time keeping up with smaller fighters, especially where movement and footwork is concerned.

Welcome to the fight game.

 

[Oddmonster]

Said like someone who has not fought a day in his life.

There are tons of fighters who have not fought the same fighter with the same strength, speed, hand eye coordination, or agility as them. These are traits fighters have that no one else may have and there are strengths and weaknesses to those traits equally. Everything is a tradeoff. As i mentioned earlier, without the knowledge of how to fight long you will not last long. Jones long arms were a problem for him when he was a rookie as he got hit constantly on the inside.

Jones thin long frame and skinny build does not allow him to generate punching power like many of the shorter stocky fighters. Another disadvantage This dissallows him from many things that Cormier enjoys such as the ability to power lift fighters around the room and knock out power. There is a trade off with the long arms and the inability to do what short stocky fighters can do.

Another advantage to a shorter stocky fighter is the ability to fight small. Something Jon Jones because of his reach will always have a hard time doing. Something he had to work on with jackson because he got hit so often as a rookie because of it.

Shorter fighters can also invest in body work and it is easier for them to do so. Taller and longer fighters have a hard time keeping up with smaller fighters, especially where movement and footwork is concerned.

Said like someone who is in love with someone and refuse to see the reality of the situation.


Fact is - Jon has ALWAYS had longer reach than his opponet, and Jon has ALWAYS been heavier than his opponent. That is just facts.

And yes, there are trade offs - Jon worked around that with his face clawing and eye poking. He did it so much that UFC had to change their rules because of him. And he kept doing it. He admitted he was doing it on purpose, so...

That you are trying to turn his size and reach into a disadvantage for him is sorta funny. Next thing will be that it is his opponents fault for hitting Jons fingers with their eyes.

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

UFC should've surgically shortened Jon's arms to make things more fair!

 

[RedDevilFan]

Said like someone who is in love with someone and refuse to see the reality of the situation.


Fact is - Jon has ALWAYS had longer reach than his opponet, and Jon has ALWAYS been heavier than his opponent. That is just facts.

And yes, there are trade offs - Jon worked around that with his face clawing and eye poking. He did it so much that UFC had to change their rules because of him. And he kept doing it.

That you are trying to turn his size and reach into a disadvantage for

That is false actually, he has not always been heavier than his opponents and this how I know you are just ranting. You can go through his fights during his time as a UFC fighter and see that is actually false. A little research can clear that up, especially when he was young.

I think this debate is more about you than jones. You are seething at the mouth about this and your comments are very angry. Take some time to get off the internet and enjoy the day.

Good day and may god bless you. Remember this place is not real and it should not replace your health and wellbeing. I am going to play some music and enjoy the day, I hope you do the same.