What is the lowest UFC weight class that could consistently beat an NFL Lineman in a fight?

[El Fernas]

Did you see some athletic freaks there ?

Also Royce is like a MW

Wasnt he like 170lbs? Thats modern day LW or even FW.

Depends on if it's a street fight vs an MMA fight. In a street fight, even a guy like Tom Brady would beat Kai Kara France 9 times out of 10.

How big is he? As a QB i dont think he is that big, KKF is 150lbs on a regular day, probably closer to 160lbs, thats like 50lbs? Sounds like a lot, but its a regular guy vs trained fighter, KKF wins 10/10

 

[Paolo Delutis]

Yeah but there's a limit to that. Every martial artist knows that too. It's why even well trained women struggle with untrained men in physical fights if the size and strength difference is sufficient enough.

Ok but we are talking men to men... ofcourse the natural side of man vs woman changes things

But O.P is talking about untrained NFL vs Top 10 MMA fighter...

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

Didn’t we learn a valuable lesson with UFC 1-4?

Jim Brown was commentating not in the octagon

 

[tastaylvr]

UFC fight fans might not appreciate what linemen do but there's a reason the Gracies didn't include anyone with grappling knowledge in their initial contests.

That's irrelevant imo. Just because they hold other humans within their sport doesn't mean it will translate to grappling. There are plenty of videos where they grapple much smaller wrestlers and get demolished. If anything it's a disadvantage because it gives them confidence in an area they shouldn't be.

Strength rarely translate between sports.

 

[Uber_Noober]

There’s only one way to settle this

 

[tastaylvr]

This thread has been posted so many times lol

This isn't a 100% direct comparison to the question asked, but it's kinda similar. DP can't get loose, but he started at a disadvantage.

I think anyone saying definitive that a LW can beat a huge strong lineman isn't giving it enough thought. All depends who gets control first imo. There's a point where if nothing else, size and strength is just going to hold you down if they're able to get ahold of you.

You post a video of a 450 lbs man starting in a dominant position. You have to be joking lol..

Do you think it's easy to just run to someone and grab them? You think the UFC fighter wouldn't move? throw a few kicks and punches?

jfc lol imagine thinking just walking up to a ufc fighter and grabbing them will be that easy let alone dragging them to the ground

 

[IneedSometop]

A featherweight Roger Huerta KOd a huge NFL lineman in a street fight with ease

The guy Huerta KO’d wasn’t a huge nfl lineman he was a college linebacker that was 5’11 230 add another 5-7 inches in height and 60+ pounds and you’re getting to NFL lineman size

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[Gamer2k4]

Since we're comparing apples to oranges, why don't we ask which linemen could block a UFC fighter?

Hint: It's all of them. And that remains true no matter how big or small that UFC fighter is.

 

[ipowerslapmywife]

The guy Huerta KO’d wasn’t a huge nfl lineman he was a college linebacker that was 5’11 230 add another 5-7 inches in height and 60+ pounds and you’re getting to NFL lineman size

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Doesn’t matter he was much bigger

 

[panamaican]

Ok but we are talking men to men... ofcourse the natural side of man vs woman changes things

But O.P is talking about untrained NFL vs Top 10 MMA fighter...

No, we're talking strength to strength. The big difference in man vs. woman is strength, not technique, not tits or dicks. Women just lack the strength to impose their fighting will on a man who is significantly stronger than them.

And an NFL lineman is way fucking stronger than your average top 10 MMA fighter. No disrespect to MMA fighters but they're not managing the same weight lifting regimen as NFL linemen.

And you're very mistaken if you think NFL linemen are "untrained". The vast majority of what NFL linemen do is standing grappling. They're training everyday to either put an opponent on the ground or to prevent that opponent from putting them on the ground. It's not BJJ or ground fighting but it's a lot of hand technique, leverage, etc. Combine that with NFL strength and speed.

Your average MMA fighter doesn't have the takedown advantage that you guys are assuming. If he wins the fight, it's going to be based on striking. And that means size, strength and speed are going to play into a different element of the fight. Now you're asking a 5'8" or lower fighter to out strike someone 100lbs heavier and probably 6+ inches taller. That's a tough match up if the bigger man knows the fight is coming.

I still go with the MMA fighter but it's not going to be easy and it's going to turn on cardio as much as anything.

 

[tastaylvr]

The guy Huerta KO’d wasn’t a huge nfl lineman he was a college linebacker that was 5’11 230 add another 5-7 inches in height and 60+ pounds and you’re getting to NFL lineman size

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Can you post any videos of an NFL player doing well in a fight?

These NFL guys struggle vs regular joes with no fighting experience. What makes you think they can do anything to the best??

 

[tastaylvr]

And an NFL lineman is way fucking stronger than top 10 MMA fighter. No disrespect to MMA fighters but they're not managing the same weight lifting regimen as NFL lineman.

You keep bringing up their strength. How is that going to translate to a fight? Do you think UFC fighters do the same strength training as an NFL player?

Strength in sports doesn't translate 1 to 1.

 

[cooks1]

Given that size does matter in a fight, what is the lowest weight class in the UFC whose average fighters could probably beat an average NFL lineman in a fight?

Completely absurd question- it's entirely dependent on the person obviously. Stephen Neal for example was a decidedly below average NFL lineman.......who also happened to be a 2 time D-1 NCAA wrestling champion and world freestyle wrestling champion. He beat Brock Lesnar to win the NCAA title in 1999. No oompa loompa is beating him.

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But other better linemen might fare worse.

 

[jko1355]

I'd say 145 + most nfl athletes now train mma in the off season to stay in shape. 5 ft 4 140 lbs flyweights are ridiculously small

 

[tastaylvr]

Completely absurd question- it's entirely dependent on the person obviously. Stephen Neal for example was a decidedly below average NFL lineman.......who also happened to be a 2 time D-1 NCAA wrestling champion and world freestyle wrestling champion. He beat Brock Lesnar to win the NCAA title in 1999. No oompa loompa is beating him.

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But other better linemen might fare worse.

This is about an NFL player who is untrained...

What does oompa loompa have to do with this when we are talking about the smaller divisions? or do you think NFL fighters can beat the heavy weights? jfc lol

 

[blaseblase]

I think the bigger issue is that NFL lineman engage in a form of standing grappling everyday in their careers.

UFC fight fans might not appreciate what linemen do but there's a reason the Gracies didn't include anyone with grappling knowledge in their initial contests.

They had a sumo guy in UFC 1, which is basically standing grappling. And Ken was a catch wrestler. But yes, they did not have a wide range of grappling arts. UFC 2 had a Judo guy. UFC 3 had a top Judo guy in Leininger.

 

[panamaican]

That's irrelevant imo. Just because they hold other humans within their sport doesn't mean it will translate to grappling. There are plenty of videos where they grapple much smaller wrestlers and get demolished. If anything it's a disadvantage because it gives them confidence in an area they shouldn't be.

Strength rarely translate between sports.

I think you're underestimating just how much hand technique and leverage is involved in what linemen do. And grappling from stand up is about control and leverage.

But I'll gladly watch these wrestler vs. NFL lineman videos.

 

[KarateYeah]

You post a video of a 450 lbs man starting in a dominant position. You have to be joking lol..

Do you think it's easy to just run to someone and grab them? You think the UFC fighter wouldn't move? throw a few kicks and punches?

jfc lol imagine thinking just walking up to a ufc fighter and grabbing them will be that easy let alone dragging them to the ground

Terrible example, that's literally the strongest mam in the world too lol

 

[kenetics]

Depends on the level of the fighter, but a top level flyweight could still beat most untrained linemen.

Strength and size do matter to a point, but a trained pro fighter against someone with no training will usually come out on top.

Ya right , fly weight lol?

 

[Miokink026]

The guy Huerta KO’d wasn’t a huge nfl lineman he was a college linebacker that was 5’11 230 add another 5-7 inches in height and 60+ pounds and you’re getting to NFL lineman size

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the average height for NFL linemen is 6'4. very tall, but not what you're claiming.

IMO people who can consistently beat NFL linemen are WW and above fighters. Not talking about only the top 15; all of them are included. I think LW is also fine but I'm saying WW for more certainty.